Talk:Psiwheel

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Contents 1 Making a Psiwheel move 2 I have added the Fix banner 3 The article needs work 4 Deleted all but the introduction

Making a Psiwheel move

If "[a] Psiwheel is a piece of paper or tinfoil folded to sit on top of a pin or needle in order to spin via Telekinesis", then the following paragraph appears somewhat out of order as far as how/where it appears in the article:

Make sure there is at least a 20 degree fahrenheit difference between your palm temperature and the room temperature. This is necessary to create the thermal currents that make the wheel spin. psi wheel.html See here. These are the same currents that keep sailplanes aloft over a warm field on a hot summer day. Coffee mugs full of hot water in place of your hands can also be used to move the wheel.

I suggest it should appear under a sub-headline like "Scepticism" or something to that effect. What I mean is, thermal currents is of course nothing to do with real telekinesis, like the article starts out with saying is how psi-wheels should be moved. Optimist 08:44, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

I have added the Fix banner

I added the Fix banner, just now, to this article. The article doesn't quite read like an encyclopedic article, it seems. An encyclopedic article should be a descriptive text about the subject in the article title, and should talk from a strictly neutral point of view.

This article seems somewhat like an instruction in how to use a Psiwheel, and this really doesn't seem to belong in an encyclopedia, at least not in any other way than under a header like "How they are used" (which would be a neutral point of view language, also, so it shouldn't say "How *you* use a Psiwheel"). Anyway, I might try and make the language style seem more encyclopedic, but for now I have added the Fix banner. Optimist 04:50, 15 April 2008 (CDT)

The article needs work

The introduction is really the only part of this article that seems encyclopedic. The rest of it basically looks like something else than an encyclopedic article. I definitely think this article shouldn't even resemble a "how to use a psi wheel" instruction page.

Writing an encyclopedic page should basically take the starting point of asking: "What is [insert title]"? That's all.

So this article should really just say something like in the introduction now, that

A psiwheel is a square piece of either paper or tinfoil, folded symetrically so it can sit on top of a needle. The purpose of a psiwheel is to allow practicing [[psycho kinesis]].

I'm not sure there really is much more to say about the topic. One could add some brief mention of what psycho kinesis is, and perhaps add a mention about popularity of psi wheel use and so on. Any instruction on how to use a psi wheel, does not belong in this article. There are many websites who have instructions, which would be better to link to from the External links section. That's what I'm thinking. Comments? Optimist 03:58, 10 May 2008 (CDT)

Deleted all but the introduction

I went ahead and deleted all the article text that followed the introduction. Like I posted here before, I consider that this encyclopedic article is not a "How to make your own Psiwheel" instruction page, or "How to make your Psiwheel move" page. The latest addition here, on how to create a psi ball, certainly does not belong in this article.

What is left now is the only part of the article text that, at least in my view, seemed to be encyclopedic. The article should definitely be expanded, but within the frames of how an encyclopedic article should be. Stuff that doesn't belong in the article, but that might be interesting and that is relevant, can get links in the External links section. Please revert if this wasn't a good idea. Optimist 11:37, 10 May 2008 (CDT)

I think it is good what you have done to this entry. I suppose that a better place for the deleted information would be a general entry about psi-energy?

William One Sac, thank you. Yes, some of those sections and paragraphs had information the can be useful in other articles. I had a similar thought, and so I put in a link to, at least, a Psi ball article (the actual article doesn't exist yet, though). There was a recent addition here about psi balls, which is of course something different from psi wheels. I also put in a link to a Psi article (that also doesn't exist yet), but it seems that topic is fairly wide, and that the notion of Psi is something that apparently is considered to contain several types of things, and that Psychokinesis or Telekinesis, whichever term one prefers, is said to be part of Psi.

Anyway, my view is that the information that was here needs to be rephrased a bit, so the style of language and the form of presentation looks more encyclopedic and so on. What I mean by that is that the language was talking a lot from first person ("I") to second person ("you"), which should be rephrased, and also I think the form of presenting a direct how-to article isn't really appropriate, but that such content should also be rephrased and be incorporated into the article text so that the article retains the neutral point of view descriptive form, instead of being like a personal message to the reader or such. That's how I'm thinking of it, anyway. I don't know that much about psi and such, actually I had to look up the term to get some idea what precisely is meant, at all. So my initial perspective now is that someone else is probably better for creating those articles, but I will certainly give them a try, the Psi article and the Psi ball article, I mean. Anyway, I really think it was good to get rid of stuff in this article that seemed to be way overrepresented, if I can put it like that, compared to the main content, which was the introduction, as I see it. Then one of the good things here is of course that new pages and articles can be created as needed, so there can be a good balance between an article's title and text content for all the encyclopedic information here. Optimist 21:18, 10 May 2008 (CDT)