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Re: Odinism

I'm not familiar with "Odinism." Which of out Categories would it fit into?
Tinwiki:Category_list
--Umbrax:|Sysop 14:47, 5 December 2006 (CST)


Okay. Sounds like it fits.
--Umbrax:|Sysop 21:15, 5 December 2006 (CST)

Secret Society

Here you go bud.
A Secret Society is, minimally and generally, an organization with secret modes of recognition between members, and secret induction rituals.

+++++ Secret Societies are sometimes said to be revivals or even unbroken continuations of the ancient Mystery Cults from the classical era. In those ancient pagan religions, rituals would be performed outside of the cult temple of a diety. The general public would witness the rite, and tend to have a general, public, understanding of its import and meaning. This is called the exoteric interpretation. From the public, a small number of applicants to the cult would be initiated and become members. They would be told new or further meanings to the public rituals, and usually particpate in private rituals inside of the temple. Their understanding of the symbols and rituals is called the esoteric meaning. This is the prototypical setup for modern secret societies. The esoteric knowledge is available to anyone that applies for it, while the exoteric knowledge performs an accepted function for the general public.

A secret society generally meant to include organizations that are so secretive to be completely unknown, in other words, the mere fact that people know of the existence of the secret society does not mean that it is no longer a secret society. It is the rituals, the modes of recognition, and the esoteric knowledge that is kept secret, not the organization itself. In truth, the esoteric meaings, the symbols, the secret handshakes and passwords, even the full text of the rituals of many secret societies are publically known and have been published for a long time. While the modes of recognition can usually be changed frequently to preserve their use, the esoteric knowledge itself, clearly, can't be altered without loosing its intended meaning. Regardless, most members are pledged to not reveal the secrets, and they will usually keep that pledge even if it is moot.

While some debate the antique origins of secret societies, the modern ones have relatively short histories. Freemasonry has perhaps the longest and most stable and widespread traditions, and was widely popular for many centuries. Because of this, many current secret societies are modelled upon regular Freemasonry, either because they were started by people who were already freemasons, or because they were started by people who accepted masonic authority on esoteric matters.

The function of secret societies are more varied than the above explanation would imply. Some, such as the Rosicrucian societies, or the Thelemic socities, exist to maintain, spread, and practice their esoteric occultic knowledge. Others, while they have esoteric philosophies, are more social organizations, such as Greek Fraternities or Elk Lodges. Others were created to provide benefits and charity to members, such as the Knights of Columbus or Woodsmen. These organizsations served a social welfare function for their members, and created some of the longest standing work and health insurance policies that are around today.

Secret Societies are hardly irrelevant frivolities however. Masonry, especially irregular masonry, was highly political in the past and involved in radical liberal movements. The Carbonari of Italy were an outright revolutionary, anti-monarchist movement. The Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria were so considered so dangerous that they were crushed and suppressed by the State. The Sons of Liberty were also a secret society that was integral to the ignition of the American Revolution.


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As Nesta H. Webster points out in Secret Societies and Subversive Movements, in 1799 the British parliament passed a law prohibiting all secret societies except Freemasonry.

Seance article

Hi Mig-17, It was neccessary to delete your article on seances, as it was largely copy and pasted from here: http://www.otherworldsociety.org/seance.htm If you are the author of that article, or would still like to include it here in tinWiki, please re-write it in your own words. Thank you. William One Sac | tinWiki Master 22:06, 18 October 2007 (CDT)

Yuefo

I left you a message on William One Sac's page.

spam

Thanks for your recent efforts to help combat the spam here. It is much appreciated. William One Sac | tinWiki Master 20:57, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. If evrybody fights it, the job will be easier! --Mig-17 14:03, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

Illuminati article is now restored

Mig-17,

Hi. I have now restored the Illuminati article to the version before the spam edit. How I did it was, I went into that page's version history list and clicked on the version that came just before the spam edit, and while viewing that ok version I then clicked on the "edit" tab and then saved. Optimist 20:24, 3 January 2008 (CST)

P.S.
I have seen that you help out frequently with reverting spam, super great. *thumbs up* I'm happy to try and help out also in the future if some tricky problem comes up either with spam reverting or anything else which I may have come across how to do here in tinWiki. :-) Optimist 21:10, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Some information and a request

Hi Mig-17, I wanted to tell you I fixed the vandalism on the Chupacabra page. When there are multiple edits made and it is hard to revert the damage there is an easy way to repair the page. Just click on the history tab, and then click on the last version of the page that had no spam or vandalism on it. Just click on the date. For example, witht he chupacabra page, I just clicked the history tab, then saw that before all the vandalism edits were made, Optimist had restored the page on I think January 13. I clicked that date, and then saw I had a page that was up to date with no vandalism on it. I then just clicked edit, and saved that version. Its really quite simple once you've done it once or twice. This can also be done when there are multiple spams made to the page. Also, I would like to know if you would like to become an editor on this tinWiki. If you are interested, please let me know. There are many things you can as an editor, and I think you would be a great addition to our team. I hope you will agree.

William One Sac | tinWiki Master 20:14, 17 January 2008 (CST)

Reply about spam

Mig-17,

Thanks for the messages. Firstly, about the page with no content and that only spammers use, the reason it hasn't been deleted fully is that someone suggested Protecting that page (I think it was regarding that page). The only way to Protect a page against editing is if it already exists (which is to say, I don't think a page can be protected from being created, only from being edited). So, the idea is that by letting the page exist, it can be Protected from edits and then no one can keep spamming it.

But you are right, it isn't really a good practice to keep blank pages, I agree. Perhaps it can be alright for now, at least for the pages that are not real article pages but that get created and spammed over and over again by spammers only. That's how I'm thinking right now, anyway. How does that topic seem to you, though, Mig-17? I mean keeping pages that are not real pages, so they can be Protected so they can't be spammed.

As for the Chupacabra article, I see that William One Sac has now reverted that. I expect it has been correctly reverted, but if there's anything you think should be done with that article, still, please let me know if there's anything I can do. Optimist 05:05, 18 January 2008 (CST)

Update: :-) It turns out I was in fact confusing that page (Poweredby) with some other page when I was talking about Protecting and so on. I have now deleted the Poweredby page as you suggested. Sorry about the "explanation" which of course made no sense, considering that I was talking about a completely different page. Optimist 15:51, 18 January 2008 (CST)

Greetings.

& such. We are somewhat acquainted. If you would like to know more, write non.notable@gmail.com 64.247.69.74 06:21, 20 November 2008 (CST)